[lbo-talk] Moby - nerd, wuss, or dick?

[John Thornton]

BklynMagus wrote:
>> Okay, why?  How does one separate form from content?
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> That post was very tongue in cheek on my part and I guess that was far 
> less obvious than I thought it was.
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> I have no idea where the line between what is and isn't acceptable 
> lies because there isn't one.
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> Of course you can be incensed about Mather's gay bashing and of course 
> you can be incensed that someone else excuses it as art.
> Art is subjective.
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> I don't find his crap artistic, it's just crap. Yes, I've listened to 
> his crap more than once just in case you're wondering.
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> The point behind the Obama statement was that in a stupid song on 
> Youtube Obama comes out in favor of manifest destiny and when I 
> pointed out this was offensive to the millions of people slaughtered 
> because of that idea I was told that in spite of the hate rhetoric 
> behind the idea it was great, slick propaganda and that I SHOULD be 
> able to appreciate it for that.
> Fuck that. It's hate speech and I there is nothing to appreciate about 
> that regardless of how well it is done.
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> The suggestion has been made that I am missing something because I 
> refuse to see the "art" behind hate speech just as you have been told 
> "it's just a performance" when Mather's blathers on with his gay 
> bashing, the suggestion being that you are unable to appreciate the 
> underlying art for some reason. Usually a failing to be able to see 
> objectively or some such shit.
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> Being able to enjoy slick hate speech as art is generally a matter of 
> white privilege or for those who have internalized those values.
> I'd be happy to hear opinions to the contrary.
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> I do not separate form from content and I won't tell those who do that 
> they are incorrect, only that it is incorrect for me and not because 
> of any failure of imagination or intellect or whatever. I do wish they 
> would return the favor and not tell me I am incorrect when I do not 
> see the world through their lens, however, more often than not, that 
> isn't what happens.
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> John Thornton
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