Joanna
berber carpet bomb wrote:
> you know. sorry for being such a bitch. i should have calmed down before i
> wrote that and figured out a way to say it less self-righteously. :)
>
> On Jan 6, 2008 4:31 PM, berber carpet bomb <berber.carpet.bomb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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>> but that is *precisely* what te supporters want to think -- that is
>> blackness, and it rubbing off on them, will prove them more understanding of
>> the people you are talking about -- the oppressed.. and it is precisely
>> *when* proponents of identity politics know that, exactly as you do, there
>> is no guarantee that they tend to be obama prponents. Thus, there need bs no
>> contradiction between being an advocate of identity politics -- which is
>> probably not what you think it is for them -- and being an opponent of
>> obama.
>>
>> Example: Dwayne, kevin andre elliot at http://slanttruth.com, sylvia at
>> http://problymchilde.wordpress.com, bfp at http://www.brownfemipower.com
>>
>> i guess what really irritates, joanna, is that you have all kinds of
>> attitudes about identity politics, but you have never once shown yourself
>> actually familiar with their writing or that you keep up with their
>> discussions these days. not these bloggers, but the people who were involved
>> in the building of an identity politics movement in the first place: what
>> they wrote then, 10 years ago, today. you don't have to read the bloggers,
>> oh no. But you could go to the nearest bookstore.
>>
>> I just got Gloria Anzaldua's 'this bridge we call home' the updated
>> version 'this bridge we call our back' with white women and men, among many
>> other groups, and made some other very different arguments from the ones you
>> typically attribute to id politis proponents like anzaldua.
>>
>> in other words, you act as if you came up with the critique that has led
>> to developments like this book edited by Anzaldua. And yet, *they* came up
>> with it way before you ever made a post to this list. They were writing
>> about it in the 80s for pete's sake. and not one word of attribution is
>> given them when you claim your criticisms. if you were familiar with the
>> terrain, you wouldn't dare write like that.
>>
>> it's insulting to all those, especially women of color, who have been
>> working on stuff that you would approve of, long before you bothered to make
>> the arguments here.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2008 3:58 PM, Joanna < 123hop at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dwayne Monroe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Listen, I get the point about straddling worlds and assuming different
>>>> masks and all that. The thing is, I no longer believe the black mask
>>>> (no pun intended, DC comics fans) is as authentic as many suppose. I
>>>> mean, one of my cousins is convinced that the way to be 'authentic' is
>>>> via emulation of Tupac, with a little cholo tossed in. We all agree
>>>> he's a jackass. But how is his presentation any less constructed and
>>>> conditional than the ones we celebrate and write poems about?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Exactly. I think those who feel themselves very clever by diagnosing
>>> "white righteousness" as the driving force behind Obama's campaign are
>>> missing the point.
>>>
>>> That point being that it looks like a lot of this country is really sick
>>> and tired of identity politics. I certainly am.
>>>
>>> Is Obama black? Well, fifty years ago, he would not have been able to
>>> ride in the front of a bus. So, yeah, sure. Otherwise, I'm not sure what
>>> this question is asking.
>>>
>>> I most certainly care whether he has any sympathy or understanding of
>>> minorities, the working class, and the oppressed, but I don't think his
>>> "blackness" is any guarantee of that -- any more so than Condolezza's or
>>> Clarence Thomas's, etc.
>>>
>>> What interests me deeply is this new public attitude that race
>>> doesn't/shouldn't matter. And we're not talking bubble land (bay area or
>>>
>>> NYC); we're talking Iowa. That's as a good a first step as I've seen in
>>> a while.
>>>
>>> Joanna
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