[lbo-talk] Penn Jillette on global warming

Jeffrey Fisher jeff.jfisher at gmail.com
Thu Jul 3 10:42:20 PDT 2008


maybe the better question to ask -- and to answer, as he could have asked it himself -- would be, what would you *do* about global warming? "i don't know" is in fact much the same as outright denial when it results in the same course of action.

seems like to me. which is why "i don't know" might in fact be a cop-out, here, and jillette would have been much more compelling if he had faced up to that part of this question, which he considers here apparently from a purely theoretical point of view.

ps -- wondering where he would find his empirical evidence for the non-existence of god. is it ok to be skeptical of the stock skeptic's answer? from penn's POV, i mean.

j

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Dennis Claxton <ddclaxton at earthlink.net> wrote:


> <
> http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-jillette3-2008jul03,0,1845593.story
> >
> http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-jillette3-2008jul03,0,1845593.story
> From the Los Angeles Times
>
> Climate change? Once more, 'I don't know'
>
> Being honest about not knowing enough of the science to make a judgment
> isn't the same as an outright denial.
>
> By Penn Jillette
>
> July 3, 2008
>
> My partner, Teller, and I are professional skeptics. We do magic tricks in
> our live show in Las Vegas, and we have a passion for trying to use what
> we've learned about fooling people to possibly get a little closer to the
> truth. Our series on Showtime tries to question everything -- even things we
> hold dear.
>
> James Randi is our inspiration, our hero, our mentor and our friend. Randi
> taught us to use our fake magic powers for good. Psychics use tricks to lie
> to people; Randi uses tricks to tell the truth. Every year, in Vegas, the
> James Randi Educational Foundation gathers together for a conference as many
> like-thinking participants as you can get from people who question whenever
> people think alike. There are smart, famous and groovy speakers such as
> Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Trey Parker and Matt Stone. There's
> lots of real science stuff with real scientists questioning things that a
> lot of people take for granted, like ESP, UFOs, faith healing and
> creationism. It's a party.
>
> Teller and I are always honored to be invited. We don't wear our usual
> matching gray suits, and Teller doesn't stay in his silent character. Teller
> chats up a storm. It's not a gig; it's hanging out with friends. During our
> loose Q&A period this year, someone asked us about global warming, or
> climate change, or however they're branding it now. Teller and I were both
> silent on stage for a bit too long, and then I said I didn't know.
>
> I elaborated on "I don't know" quite a bit. I said that Al Gore was so
> annoying (that's scientifically provable, right?) that I really wanted to
> doubt anything he was hyping, but I just didn't know. I also emphasized that
> really smart friends, who knew a lot more than me, were convinced of global
> warming. I ended my long-winded rambling (I most often have a silent
> partner) very clearly with "I don't know." I did that because ... I don't
> know. Teller chimed in with something about Gore's selling of "indulgences"
> being BS, and then said he didn't know either. Penn & Teller don't know jack
> about global warming ... next question.
>
> The next day, I heard that one of the non-famous, non-groovy, non-scientist
> speakers had used me as an example of someone who let his emotions make him
> believe things that are wrong. OK. People who aren't used to public speaking
> get excited and go off half-cocked. I'm used to public speaking and I go off
> half-cocked. I live half-cocked. Cut her some slack.
>
> Later, I was asked about a Newsweek blog she wrote. Reading it bugged me
> more than hearing about it. She ends with: "But here was Penn, a great
> friend to the skeptic community, basically saying, 'Don't bother me with
> scientific evidence, I'm going to make up my mind about global warming based
> on my disdain for Al Gore.' ... Which just goes to show, not even the most
> hard-nosed empiricists and skeptics are immune from the power of emotion to
> make us believe stupid things."
>
> Is there no ignorance allowed on this one subject? I took my children to
> see the film "Wall-E." This wonderful family entertainment opens with the
> given that mankind destroyed Earth. You can't turn on the TV without seeing
> someone hating ourselves for what we've done to the planet and preaching the
> end of the world. Maybe they're right, but is there no room for "maybe"?
> There's a lot of evidence, but global warming encompasses a lot of
> complicated points: Is it happening? Did we cause it? Is it bad? Can we fix
> it? Is government-forced conservation the only way to fix it?
>
> To be fair (and it's always important to be fair when one is being
> mean-spirited, sanctimonious and self-righteous), "I don't know" can be a
> very bad answer when it is disingenuous. You can't answer "I don't know if
> that happened" about the Holocaust.
>
> But the climate of the whole world is more complicated. I'm not a
> scientist, and I haven't spent my life studying weather. I'm trying to learn
> what I can, and while I'm working on it, isn't it OK to say "I don't know"?
>
> I mean, at least in front of a bunch of friendly skeptics?
>
> Penn Jillette is the louder, bigger half of the magic/comedy team of Penn &
> Teller.
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