I didn't say anything about Heidegger's politics.
--- On Wed, 7/9/08, andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> So, Chris, you think that the philosophers have only
> interpreted the world, in various ways, and that God their
> ideas have no effect on changing it?
>
> By heaven, let's put that warning sign over Marx's
> ideas. But as Victor Serge said about Bolshevism, it may
> have, certainly did, bear the seeds of Stalinism, but it
> bore other seeds too.
>
> The ideas that Heidegger never repudiated, however, had
> only one sort of seed, the bad kind. A few weeks ago I was
> at Auschwitz-Birkenau and walked into a gas chamber that
> was built to murder me, and looked at the ovens a few feet
> away where they planned to turned by body to ash and smoke
> and unlike a fair number of my relatives who walked into
> that gas chamber, I walked out through the door into the
> light and air instead of leaving via the chimney. It's
> quite an experience. T recommend it to all. No one on this
> list would have been exempt.
>
> I don't impute the wickedness of Heidegger's
> politics to his philosophy. But the greatness of his
> philosophy doesn't get him off the hook for the
> wickedness of his politics.
>
> Neither Marx's ideas nor his politics were wicked,
> quite the contrary. Neither did he actively embrace and
> never repudiate the sort of crimes that were later
> performed in his name. That doesn't mean that the Old
> Man's ideas and politics didn't have dangerous
> potentials. We cannot deny, at this point, that they lent
> themselves to justifying the unspeakable. Or anyway they
> could be kidnapped for this purpose.
>
> Nonetheless there is no symmetry here.
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Chris Doss
> <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Heidegger
> > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:21 PM
> > True, but this does not change that Heidegger's
> thought
> > has played a role in no deaths, whereas Marx's has
> > played a role in very many. If one believes in the
> > existence of inherent practical evils in various
> > philosophers' ideas (which I don't),
> Marx's
> > work should have a large neon warning sign over it.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Doug Henwood
> <dhenwood at panix.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Except that Heidegger was an actual Nazi, and
> Marx was
> > long
> > > dead
> > > before Stalinism existed.
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