[lbo-talk] WSJ interview: Obama on public infrastructure spending

Michael Pollak mpollak at panix.com
Fri Jul 11 06:55:40 PDT 2008


[15B/yr is more like a public works pilot program. But still, it would be ~14.9B more than we've seen in a long time.]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121366164848479237.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

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Obama Plans Spending Boost, Possible Cut in Business Tax

By BOB DAVIS and AMY CHOZICK

June 17, 2008; Page A1

FLINT, Mich. -- Sen. Barack Obama shed new light on his economic

plans for the country, saying he would rely on a heavy dose of

government spending to spur growth, use the tax code to narrow the

widening gap between winners and losers in the U.S. economy, and

possibly back a reduction in corporate tax rates.

EXCERPTS FROM THE INTERVIEW

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, the Illinois Democrat

said that he was trying to put together tax and spending policies

that dealt with two challenges. One is the competition from rapidly

growing developing countries, like India and China. The other: the

U.S. becoming what he called a "winner-take-all" economy, where the

gains from economic growth skew heavily toward the wealthy.

Sen. Obama cited new economic forces to explain what appears like a

return to an older-style big-government Democratic platform

skeptical of market forces. "Globalization and technology and

automation all weaken the position of workers," he said, and a

strong government hand is needed to assure that wealth is

distributed more equitably. He spoke aboard his campaign bus, where

a big-screen TV was tuned to the final holes of the U.S. Open golf

tournament.

Sen. Obama's nod to lowering corporate taxes comes as Republicans

have been attacking him for proposals that would raise the cost of

doing business, such as his pledge to raise the tax rate on capital

gains, and his vow to increase the top income-tax rates, which are

often used by small, unincorporated enterprises.

He didn't say how deeply he would cut the rate, but said it could be

trimmed in return for reducing corporate tax breaks, simplifying the

tax system. With existing loopholes, he said, "How much you pay in

taxes as a corporation a lot of times is going to depend on how good

your lobbyist is." With "a level playing field," he said, the rates

could be reduced.

He stressed the idea was not a move toward Sen. McCain's broader

tax-cutting philosophy. While Sen. McCain has argued that tax cuts

-- particularly on business -- spur growth, Sen. Obama rejected that

as flawed economics. "I've seen no evidence that...would actually

boost the economic growth and productivity," he said.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, chief economic aide to Republican candidate

Sen. John McCain, dismissed the Obama strategy as "classic

industrial policy which shows a lack of faith in private markets."

He was skeptical of any potential Obama corporate-tax cut, noting a

lack of details. "It's like being for kittens, puppies and

sunshine," he said.

Clinton Deficit Hawks

The overall Obama economic approach echoes the 1992 presidential

platform of Bill Clinton, who also launched his bid for the White

House seeking a big expansion in infrastructure spending. But those

plans were quickly shelved once he reached the White House. Congress

rejected a proposal to steeply increase energy taxes, which could

have been used to pay for the spending.

Clinton deficit hawks, especially then-White House economic adviser

Robert Rubin, successfully argued that slashing the deficit would

have a bigger impact on growth than boosting spending because

markets would react favorably to a shrinking deficit. "Rubinomics"

became the reigning Clinton economic strategy, and many labor

leaders backing Sen. Obama worry that the 46-year-old senator

ultimately will turn to Mr. Rubin, as Mr. Clinton did.

Sen. Obama waved off that concern. "I've got Bob Rubin on one hand

[as an adviser] and [former Labor Secretary] Bob Reich on the

other....I tend to be eclectic." Mr. Reich, has long championed

infrastructure spending to boost jobs and the economy, and is a

favorite of labor. He frequently and famously feuded with Mr. Rubin

early in Mr. Clinton's term over the administration's ideological

direction.

The chances of pushing through an infrastructure spending program

are greater now than they were in 1992, Sen. Obama said, because of

new concern about energy prices. Many alternative-energy projects --

clean-coal technology, wind-power generators and the like -- could

be packaged as infrastructure. "The difference I would suggest is

that there is a strong recognition in the public mind that we can't

continue on our current energy path," he said. That means "there's a

bigger opening to bring about change."

Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain disagree sharply on economic issues, with

the Arizona Republican promising to cut the corporate tax to 25%

from 35%, retain all of President Bush's cuts in personal income

taxes, and push for a host of free-trade agreements.

Sen. Obama has proposed a variety of measures that would raise taxes

on individuals at the top end and provide tax relief to middle- and

lower-income households. Under his plans, those in the middle would

see their after-tax income increase by 2.4%, or $1,042, according to

a nonpartisan analysis by the Washington-based Tax Policy Center.

Americans with incomes above $2.8 million would see their after-tax

income decrease by 11.5%.

The Democrats' 2008 standard-bearer laid out a series of large-scale

spending plans during a speech earlier on Monday in Flint, which has

been a symbol of economic decline since the anticorporate movie

"Roger and Me" was released in 1989. While Sen. Obama has made the

proposals before, he wrapped them together for the first time in

what he called a "competitiveness agenda."

Spending Program

The heart of Sen. Obama's spending program is his plan to spend $15

billion a year for 10 years on energy technology. It would be funded

by revenue collected from a separate Obama proposal to cap

greenhouse emissions through a system of trading pollution permits.

Sen. Obama would auction those permits to producers of carbon

dioxide, such as electric utilities, and figures the sales would

yield about $100 billion a year. Most of that would go to consumers

as rebates on utility bills, he said.

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He also would fund an "infrastructure reinvestment bank" that would

finance $60 billion in high-speed railways, improved energy grids

and other projects over a decade. He would double spending on basic

research, subsidize investment in high-speed Internet hook-ups, and

offer $4,000 a year in tuition credits for students who later

perform public services.

To "capture some of the nation's economic growth," he said in the

interview, "and reinvest it in things we know have to be done like

science, technology, research and fixing our energy policy, then

that is actually going to spur productivity."

Sen. McCain argues for as little government spending as possible and

paints his opponent as a liberal who would tax more, spend more and

drive the country into deficit. He backs a cap-and-trade system that

would be used to fund energy technology, but Mr. Holtz-Eakin said

the scale would be far smaller than the Obama plan. And, Mr.

Holtz-Eakin said, a "green technology fund is plain silly. Silicon

Valley has piles of money devoted to clean technology."

Energy Market

Sen. Obama made the case in the interview for large-scale government

intervention in the energy market, saying that although venture

funds are investing heavily in energy technology, there was a gap in

funding that should be filled by Washington. He called it supporting

the "middle stage" between innovation and commercialization. "You

have this point in time when things haven't quite taken off yet and

still entail huge risks," he said.

Under President Clinton, the Commerce Department put together a

broader-based commercial technology program aimed to fund projects

at a similar stage. But it never grew beyond fairly small-scale

projects, because of fights with a Republican Congress over whether

the government was wasting money on projects that ought to be funded

by the private sector.

Sen. Obama likened his proposal to a venture-capital fund, with the

government seeking private investors to contribute. He lauded a

Central Intelligence Agency project which helps fund technologies

the CIA finds important, but which lack long-term capital.

Sen. Obama regularly compares the energy effort to President

Kennedy's project to rocket a man to the moon in the 1960s. But the

record of using government funds to produce big breakthroughs in

commercial technology is spotty at best. The few projects that have

succeeded were often small and aimed at limited research goals.

'Carter's Second Term'

Under President Carter, the U.S. tried and failed to build a

synthetic-fuel industry in the 1970s. (Sen. McCain has taken to

saying Sen. Obama would represent "Jimmy Carter's second term.")

Plans to build commercial nuclear reactors that would produce more

nuclear material than they consumed also failed, and a half-century

of government investment in commercial hydrogen reactors haven't

produced the necessary breakthroughs.

[Obama]

Fabrizio Costantini for the Wall Street Journal

Sen. Obama called for government spending to spur growth, including

an energy-technology investment program and infrastructure

financing.

More recently the Clinton administration, at the urging of then-Vice

President Al Gore, spent heavily on a project with the Big Three

auto makers to build a higher-tech family car that produced three

times the gas mileage of a conventional car. The car was never built

and the Bush administration killed the project. At a rally in

Detroit Monday night, Mr. Gore announced his endorsement of Sen.

Obama.

Start-Up Companies

Sen. Obama also proposes eliminating capital-gains taxes on start-up

companies, though he backs higher capital-gains rates overall. He

hasn't defined precisely what he means by a "start-up." Wasn't he

concerned that tax lawyers would simply form "start-ups" for

existing companies looking for a new tax break?

"There are always folks who are interested in gaming the system, and

obviously one of the things you have to do with tax policy generally

is to pin down definitions so they're not twisted beyond

recognition," he said. But he argued, "Companies that are starting

off...should be allowed to accumulate capital, reinvest profits, if

there are any, to the point that they stabilize."

Write to Bob Davis at bob.davis at wsj.com and Amy Chozick at

amy.chozick at wsj.com



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