OK so now we know that what it is that produces things is power. As I pointed out in another message, we could maybe have thought that its was some other abstraction, like 'life', 'vitality', 'force', 'exploitation', or 'rationality' -- just name your favourite one. Doesn't it ever occur that a proposition like "power relations produce things" is true at such a high level of generality that it is totally vacuous? How would you go about disproving or even arguing against such a thing? OK so the proposition must be 'true' then, so what? Why is arriving at this point an advance? An advance over what? Tahir -------------- next part -------------- All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/public/portal_services/disclaimer.htm