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--- On Sat, 14/6/08, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Cuba to abandon salary equality
> To: swillsqueal at yahoo.com.au
> Received: Saturday, 14 June, 2008, 11:57 PM
> How was the USSR supposed to pay people? You go to the store
> and get annthing you want?
>
> --- On Sat, 6/14/08, Mike Ballard
> <swillsqueal at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > From: Mike Ballard <swillsqueal at yahoo.com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Cuba to abandon salary
> equality
> > To: "lbo lbo" <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org>
> > Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 8:31 AM
> > Chris writes:
> >
> > > I know nothing about Cuba, but the whole
> "salary
> > ceiling" system was very
> > > unpopular in the USSR.
> > ============================
> > Lots of discussion about this on Lou Proyect's
> list. Be
> > interested to hear
> > more on the unpopularity of the system in the USSR. My
> > take: Cuba is being
> > forced to follow the path taken by the Soviets,
> Chinese,
> > and others who
> > abolished and then restored capitalism:
> >
> > http://www.marxmail.org/msg42977.html
> >
> > http://www.marxmail.org/msg42945.html
> > ************
> >
> > As Marx pointed out, where there is wage labour, there
> is
> > capital. It's no wonder to me why the trasition
> to
> > communism beccame a transition to full blown
> industrial
> > capitalism.
> >
> > Mike B)
> > **************
> >
> > The very development of modern industry must
> progressively
> > turn the scale in favour of the capitalist against the
> > working man, and that consequently the general
> tendency of
> > capitalistic production is not to raise, but to sink
> the
> > average standard of wages, or to push the value of
> labour
> > more or less to its minimum limit. Such being the
> tendency
> > of things in this system, is this saying that the
> working
> > class ought to renounce their resistance against the
> > encroachments of capital, and abandon their attempts
> at
> > making the best of the occasional chances for their
> > temporary improvement? If they did, they would be
> degraded
> > to one level mass of broken wretches past
> salvation.... By
> > cowardly giving way in their everyday conflict with
> > capital, they would certainly disqualify themselves
> for the
> > initiating of any larger movement.
> >
> > At the same time, and quite apart from the general
> > servitude involved in the wages system, the working
> class
> > ought not to exaggerate to themselves the ultimate
> working
> > of these everyday struggles. They ought not to forget
> that
> > they are fighting with effects, but not with the
> causes of
> > those effects; that they are retarding the downward
> > movement, but not changing its direction; that they
> are
> > applying palliatives, not curing the malady. They
> ought,
> > therefore, not to be exclusively absorbed in these
> > unavoidable guerilla fights incessantly springing up
> from
> > the never-ceasing encroachments of capital or changes
> of
> > the market. They ought to understand that, with all
> the
> > miseries it imposes upon them, the present system
> > simultaneously engenders the material conditions and
> the
> > social forms necessary for an economical
> reconstruction of
> > society. Instead of the conservative motto, A fair
> > day's wage for a fair day's work! they ought
> to
> > inscribe on their banner the
> > revolutionary watchword, Abolition of the wages
> system!
> >
> > Marx, 'Value, Price and Profit'
> >
> > The carbon atoms in your body were forged inside a
> star
> > somewhere, billions of years ago.
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> >
> >
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