[lbo-talk] The State and Capitalism

Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us
Tue Mar 11 07:52:02 PDT 2008



>> "Within the co-operative society based on common ownership of the
means
>> of production, the producers do not exchange their products; just as


>> little does the labor employed on the products appear here as the
value
>> of these products, as a material quality possessed by them, since
now,
>> in contrast to capitalist society, individual labor no longer exists
in
>> an indirect fashion but directly as a component part of total
labor."
> (Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme)


> CB: Does this passage refer to the _transitional_ phase or the fully
> communist phase ?

Both. Marx envisaged a transition between a first phase of communism and a higher phase of communism - but they are both *communist* societies.

Lew

^^^^^ CB: Yea, but the debate here is whether in the first phase there is still "to each according to work", which would seem to imply that Marx thought there would still be something like money in the _transitional_ or first phase of communism . Since Marx said use-values would be distributed according to work in the first phase of communism , that seems to indicate that there would still be money in the first phase; and the passage you quote refers to the second phase of communism. --

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