In deciding what people have to say about art, it's not enough to look at critical/philosophic writing. What I looked at in the dissertation was John Donne's poetry as a critique of the dual truth theory and also look at the defense of the vernaculars (Dante, Du Bellay, Mulcaster) for an alternate model of truth telling language which did not have to be stable and "ruled".
It is true that this debate became very explicit in the 19th century, but by then the argument had already been lost and the only thing that prevailed was the relativistic /subjective truth stuff.
Joanna
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> Absolutely! If any 17th century writer might have or could have raised the
> question of the truth of art it would have been Milton, and he's the perfect
> example of what Joana says above.
> 18th century English writers about art simply asserted that art should
> "delight and instruct", and that too they borrowed from Horace.
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> In my recollection, the first real statements about art as a separate kind of
> truth, different from common or scientific speech, would be found in the English
> Romantics, and Kant and Hegel.
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> > Joanna:
> > why it was that in the seventeenth century, people started talking
> > about there being one truth for science and another for art, a
> > subsidiary assertion being that normal language was degraded, but that
> > the language of science (mathematics) was pure....and that therefore,
> > science was by definition "true."
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> > CB: I'm guessing it was the scientist-mathematicians and artists who
> > started saying that math and art language was "pure" and "true" and
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