[lbo-talk] negative freedoms

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Sat May 17 12:46:32 PDT 2008


John Thornton wrote:
>


> Removal of institutional pressures doesn't eliminate other social
> pressures directed towards conformity but no society can be free from
> such pressures completely.

Everyone recognizes that EXCEPT when they are talking about a social order they disapprove of. Then it is held up against a model of a society in which everyone does anything they want to do with no external pressure. This was implicit in the whole of a recent debate reference how to get people to work under socialism. Hence no one raised the obvious point that anyone who deliberately did less than her ability allowed would soon become a social outcast, and either change her ways or probably commit suicide from depression. And those who will immediately howl at this totalitarian horror will of course refuse to admit that under the present system we have _both_ slavery to wages AND slavery to such social pressure.

Carrol



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