[lbo-talk] competence, not ideology ... again

shag shag at cleandraws.com
Mon Nov 3 13:30:37 PST 2008


sure. but i don't think that what is going away is the idea that socialist are scary. all they did was laugh at the idea that anything related to obama or the dems are socialist. the socialists are scary meme is more intact than it every was.

B, when Colin Powell endorses obama he took McCain to task for saying "No, he's not a muslim. He's a good family man...."

McCain said that the right answer was, "So what if he is?"

Big difference between so what if I am a socialist or so what if he is a socialist (and then having a discussion about that) and saying, "Oh lord no! Obama is just a nice guy who shares his sandwich and thinks we should all share sandwiches. And we all know that's not scary socialism! How funny you people are to think he's a scary socialist. Castro is a scary socialist!"


> I agree, and I think that Obama's response has been notable. He briefly
> mocked it with peanut butter sandwich comment, and then moved on. I think
> that this may say more about certain cold war tropes losing rhetorical
> power than it says about Obama. If that is the case, then there might be
> more possibilities in the future with organizing. robert wood
>
>> But doesn't the scary "socialists are bad" meme seem to be falling flat?
>> It does to me.
>> While the Dems have tried to distance themselves from the socialist tag,
>> in this red state anyway, the socialist scare has no traction that I can
>> see so it's quite unnecessary.
>> The huge Wall Street pay-off really has helped to tamp down the fear of
>> socialism in my opinion.
>>
>> John Thornton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> shag wrote:
>>> actually, the sucky thing about this incident is that, typical of dems,
>>> everyone did their best to distance themselves from being a socialist
>>> therefore reinforcing the use of red-baiting and condoning the idea
>>> that
>>> no one in their right mind would want to be or be associated with
>>> socialists.
>>>
>>> in re this being same old same old (discussed on another thread and
>>> nothing charles responded to). i don't think this is like other years.
>>> the
>>> scary socialist meme may have been embraced by fringies years before,
>>> but
>>> this year, with a supposed moderate republican running, we have the
>>> obama
>>> is a scary socialist meme front and center as the republican
>>> candidate's
>>> primary message.
>>>
>>>
>>>> CB:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, socialists are glad to be identified with spreading the
>>>> wealth.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be funny if Obama wins, and that means the majority are ok
>>>> with some "socialism" ?
>>>>
>>>>
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