[lbo-talk] competence, not ideology ... again

Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us
Mon Nov 3 14:23:49 PST 2008



>>> <wrobert at uci.edu>
-clip- . I think that this may say more about certain cold war tropes losing rhetorical power than it says about Obama. If that is the case, then there might be more possibilities in the future with organizing. robert wood

^^^ CB: Preliminarily, my thought on the spate of "socialism" , "Marxist" redbaitings by Reps are like Robert's and John's. We'll have to see if O wins first, though.

But if so, it's some indication that the almost twenty years since the Soviet Union fell which ended most of the standard , constant, massive anti-Communist propaganda of the Cold War era have erased many Americans' anti-Communist brainwashing significantly. US Big Brother operates in part by making Americans political amnesiacs. The average American can't remember political events from six months ago let alone 20 years. This amnesia cuts against the capitalist propagandists on this red-baiting Obama incident. They called O a socialist and . yet, most Americans have forgotten that being socialist is "bad" ! - maybe . Lets see who wins tomorrow .


> But doesn't the scary "socialists are bad" meme seem to be falling flat?
> It does to me.
> While the Dems have tried to distance themselves from the socialist tag,
> in this red state anyway, the socialist scare has no traction that I can
> see so it's quite unnecessary.
> The huge Wall Street pay-off really has helped to tamp down the fear of
> socialism in my opinion.
>
> John Thornton
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> shag wrote:
>> actually, the sucky thing about this incident is that, typical of dems,
>> everyone did their best to distance themselves from being a socialist
>> therefore reinforcing the use of red-baiting and condoning the idea that
>> no one in their right mind would want to be or be associated with
>> socialists.
>>
>> in re this being same old same old (discussed on another thread and
>> nothing charles responded to). i don't think this is like other years.
>> the
>> scary socialist meme may have been embraced by fringies years before,
>> but
>> this year, with a supposed moderate republican running, we have the
>> obama
>> is a scary socialist meme front and center as the republican candidate's
>> primary message.
>>
>>
>>> CB:
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>>> Actually, socialists are glad to be identified with spreading the
>>> wealth.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be funny if Obama wins, and that means the majority are ok
>>> with some "socialism" ?
>>>
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