[lbo-talk] Can we afford to pay off all the swaps?

Charles Peterson charlesppeterson at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 17 23:34:57 PDT 2008


I've gleaned that all the money we've pumped into AIG (first the $85 billion, and then the ~$35 billion?) has gone straight out to settle AIG's Credit Default Swaps (i.e., the gambling debts for which they never bothered to have reserves), just at the moment they become due. Of course, as part of the swap, we've now got the toilet paper, isn't that nice.

But exactly how long can the Fed and Treasury keep this up? How many trillions in CDS's did AIG write on one side?

And aren't we on the hook for all the future losses at Fannie and Freddie? Isn't that potentially in the trillions also?

The way this looks, when the bubble finishes deflating, the US public will have taken on nearly the entire loss.

How big was the bubble above projected housing price baseline? $5 Trillion? Is anyone figuring the total cost we're on the hook for, not just the trillion peanuts we've shelled so far? And what if the collapse doesn't stop there?

Is that correct? Am I missing something?

And it seems even this is just a small part of the Fed and Treasury are doing. Going further, how many of the outstanding $65 Trillion in CDS are one-sided? And are we going to have to pay off other derivative losses also?

Charles Peterson

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