On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Dwayne Monroe <dwayne.monroe at gmail.com>wrote:
> Chuck Grimes:
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> But I am trying to find some light here. The assumption that Obama is
> more liberal than he pretends, might be delusional, but that delusion
> also offers political support for House and Senate members who are
> more liberal than either Obama or the leadership under Reid and
> Pelosi. And in turn their public support is enhanced by Obama's
> election. Which can then be turned into political pressure on the
> House and Senate members from the so-called Left---as their concerned
> constituents, i.e. grassroots groups.
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> So, that's how I can see (dreaming again) how to move a mania to an
> ism and then into some concrete policy changes in a vaguely left
> direction...
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> That sounds as plausible as anything else we've discussed re: Sen.
> Obama's candidacy and the possible (or probable) outcomes.
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> But right now, I think it's best to be patient and see where the wheel
> stops. I recommend a vacation from our hope and counter-hope debates.
> We've reached the point where things are very predictable: someone
> posts something -- usually from BAR's Glen Ford or UPenn's Adolph Reed
> -- dissecting the idea that there's a progressive movement around Sen.
> Obama.
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> Charles B (and maybe a few others) respond that these criticisms are
> off-base or miss the point or don't take the importance of enthusiasm
> into account and so on.
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> Like the hornets in my yard who wasted their stingers on the Lego
> Mindstorms robot I sent to observe them, we're working ourselves in a
> lather but getting little done.
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> And hey, about the Adolph Reed piece...
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> I'm a little amused that so many people are now responding to this.
> I'm amused because Doug first posted it to the list on July 16th:
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> It spawned a long and raucous thread. Some of the same people
> praising it now praised (or criticized) it then only...they seem to
> have forgotten they read it -- unless many of the spirited replies
> were comments on comments and not the essay itself. Which would be a
> typical, RTFM event.
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