> I questioned the claim that it is always ineffective.
This is precisely the question that leads you to Cheney's position, spelled out clearly in Suskind's "The One Percent Doctrine" -- if there's a chance, even a small one, that it could be a threat, you must presume it is; if there's a chance, even a small one, that torture could lead to an intel win, you must do "whatever it takes" ...
To say that it "works" sometimes means that you believe that sometimes, as Colbert said the other night, the ends justify the screams. You can't take the position that "it works sometimes" and not be firmly in the camp of Cheney and Yoo. Since you tried to disclaim this earlier, I can only presume that you don't, at heart, want to be in that camp. So: snap out of it!
The Subject: line of this thread *is referring to you* ...
/jordan