[lbo-talk] Americans kinda like torture

[ravi]

On Apr 25, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Carrol Cox wrote:
> ravi wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2009, at 4:30 AM, James Heartfield wrote:
>>> The movements in South Africa, Algeria and Ireland did indeed
>>> inflict real defeats on imperialism.
>>
>> Funny what is conveniently missing from the list.
>
> This, ravi, is the most mindless post you have ever written. Do you  
> want
> James to give a complete fucking history of the world from Hammurabi  
> to
> Jane Fonda to avoid being funny.

That's not the point. Heartfield wrote earlier:


> Pacifism, on the other had, is submission before the authority of  
> the ruling class.

And in listing the imperialist struggles that inflicted real defeats  
he leaves out one of the most significant ones: the Indian  
independence movement. Which just so happens to be a non-violent one  
(whose leader and principles influenced both Mandela and King). I am  
sure what will follow is the slicing and dicing about non-violence/ 
ahimsa/pacifism and the violent elements of the Indian struggle, etc,  
and I will be glad to tackle each and every one of them. As Gandhi  
said, don't mistake non-violence/pacifism with passivity.

	--ravi