Nick
May I send a note to your gmail adress?
If so, will do tomorrow.
Briefly, I anticipate a job offer from a university in the area within a week and may need to relocate to Raleigh by the end of December.
Best
Issy
Aluta Continua!
________________________________ From: Nick C. Woomer-Deters <nwoomer at gmail.com> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Sent: Tue, 1 December, 2009 23:04:10 Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Raleigh, NC
Ismail,
I haven't posted for awhile (wife had a baby) but I am.
WD/Nick
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ismail Lagardien <ilagardien at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Is there anyone resident in Raleigh, NC on this list?
>
> Ismail
> Aluta Continua!
>
>
>
>
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> From: Gary MacLennan <gary.maclennan1 at gmail.com>
> To: Ismail Lagardien <ilagardien at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tue, 1 December, 2009 19:32:50
> Subject: Re: [Marxism] spasm in electoral politics in Oz
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>>
>>
>> Stuart wrote:
>>
>
>
>> Of course, there is even more to it that this, and that is the actual, real
>> and worsening climate emergency is increasingly hard to ignore. The result
>> could well be increasing polarisation at the extremes of spectrum — a
>> strengthening of the Greens on the left and a strengthening of the hard
>> right populalist, denialist wing on the right.
>>
>> Both wings being opposed the Labor's ridiculous and dangerous bill that
>> Turnbull backed.
>>
>> My reply:
>>
>
> I agree with you about the bill that Labor proposed. However I think it is
> important to grasp that the bill was never intended to be anything other
> than a device to split the Liberals. Almost certainly Prime Minister Rudd
> instructed his minister Penny Wong to reach a deal, any deal with the
> Liberal Party. She rolled over and made the kind of massive concessions to
> the rich which the Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull thought would enable him
> to present himself as a victor in the negotiations with Labor. But Rudd
> both wanted the concessions himself and also probably knew that the Liberal
> Party would accept no concessions at all and that the result would be a
> split in the Liberal Party. that was the result he aimed for and the result
> he achieved. It was clever inter party maneuvering - electoral politics at
> its most deadly and most irrelevant. For of course as you point out the
> result has been that we have not nothing which deals with the ecological
> crisis.
>
>
> You are right too about the media and its propaganda aimed to persuade the
> "battlers" that pro-environment politics is bad for them. But I remain
> optimistic here. Even the most backward and most stupid layers of society
> (and that includes the Australian ruling class) has to breathe and drink
> water. It is in those needs that the basis for the future growth of a
> mass ecological movement rests. The danger of course is that by the time
> that a mass pro-ecology consciousness develops it may be too late.
>
>
> But there is a widespread anxiety about the environment and global warming
> and I stand by my statement that the Liberals will pay dearly for their
> climate scepticism. That does not of course mean that the attempt to find a
> base for anti-environmentalism among backward layers will not continue. We
> have had a taste of that in the past in Tasmania as in "green politics
> costs jobs". But it is a profoundly non-hegemonic move for a ruling class to
> base onself on the backward. Generally it requires the killing off of
> democracy -even in its weakened electoral form. This is what I take you to
> mean by your reference to 'dangeous'.
>
>
> Your statistics about the surge in Green support is an indication of what
> will happen here. But personally the Greens fill me with despair. Their
> sectarianism and their absolute determination to avoid any socialist ideas
> ultimately prevent them from identifying the culprit - capitalist
> production. The Brown leadership cabal is to blame and there will be no
> real progress until a new leadership emerges. Such a leadership will have to
> make a principled and programmatic turn to the left and embrace contemporary
> versions of socialism.
>
> comradely regards
>
> Gary
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