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Fri Dec 4 14:22:00 PST 2009


i supported moveon back in 2004 and found out what a joke it was subsequently. i did so because i believed they were going for some sort of substantive model of civic engagement that would create an infrastructure of political practice. that experience largely solidified my position that anything that's about democrats is not worth my time.

At 10:40 AM 12/4/2009, Joseph Catron wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:
>
>Which is kind of interesting. They polled their members to get this result,
> > or so they say. They've also taken a more critical turn on health care. I'm
> > not sure these were the first instincts of the leadership. This has
> > potential.
> >
>
>I have a couple of friends on MoveOn's organizing staff who are actually
>pretty radical. While they may not reflect the staff as a whole, I think
>they're a bit closer than some of MoveOn's historic positions, or lack
>thereof, might lead the rest of us to believe. MoveOn's problem is that
>every "member" gets an equal vote on the organization's campaigns and
>policies, and the "membership" includes every yahoo in the country with an
>e-mail address. (Five million of them, actually, but you get the idea.)
>
>There's a recurring tendency on the left to blame the dismaying actions of
>organizations, from online communications services to labor unions, on staff
>and leadership. This is almost always wrong. These organizations have
>constituencies, and those constituencies reflect the perspectives and
>prejudices of the country as a whole. They also have democratic processes,
>with the same pitfulls as those of nation-states. Leftist valorizations
>aside, "[t]he People is a Great Beast!" in organizing as well as governance.
>
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