> On 1/16/09, Peter Ward <nevadabob at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > Of course,
> > at best it's a kind of watered down metaphysics,
> much as the arguments given
> > by "Creationists" are watered down and
> muddled versions of various proofs,
> > such as the First Cause argument, originally though up
> by philosophers in
> > the employ of the church.