[lbo-talk] Blue Dogs cashing in

Marv Gandall marvgandall at videotron.ca
Fri Jul 24 13:15:30 PDT 2009


Wojtek writes:
>
> --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Marv Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>
>> recently. The US is
>> not unique in subjugating the state and other social
>> institutions to
>> business interests, although this arrangement found it's
>> highest expression
>> in the country where capitalism was most highly developed.
>> As for the
>> present, I can't see where the angry mood but quiescent
>> political behaviour
>> of US workers in the current crisis is exceptionally
>> different from that of
>> most workers in Europe, Japan, and the other OECD
>> countries. Can you?
>
> [WS:] No, I cannot, but I do not think it is the main cause behind
> capitalist hegemony either. Historically, a revolutionary movement
> (working class or otherwise) was able to succeed only when the
> institutional structure of the state was weakened, typically by hostile
> actions of another state (i.e. war). Russia and China are prime examples.
> Moreover, radical reforms succeeded only when the reformist social
> movements (working class or otherwise) founds allies within institutional
> structure of the state who possessed enough power to implement these
> reform (e.g. the Beveridge reforms in the UK.) Barring that, any attempt
> of a radical change or reform is doomed.

[MG] Apart from Cuba, I also can't offhand think of any examples where anticapitalist revolutions succeeded outside the context of a war, or where substantial reforms were wrested from the ruling class without the support of the liberal wing of the bourgeoisie which concluded that such reforms were in it's longer term economic and political interests.
>
[WS]> The point I am trying to make is that the US state is deliberately structured in way to derail any attempt to change it, especially in a way that disrupts the public-private symbiosis between business and political establishment. The US labor was probably better organized, at times, than many of its European counterparts, yet it failed to implement any of the reforms that Europeans did precisely because of the institutional architecture of the US state that is carefully crafted to derail any such reform - and has succeeded derailing them for 200+ years.

[MG] Which reforms are you referring to apart from state-sponsored heathcare? The other major reforms - the universal franchise, shorter working hours, public education, the right to organize and strike, unemployment insurance, pensions, civil rights for racial and ethnic minorities, women, and gays, etc. - are common to both the US and Europe.

[WJ] As I said elsewhere, the US state is selling out family silver to buy more time and in a few years, likely during our life time, it will be reduced to a regional power akin to its rival the x-USSR. But it will not be reformed in any substantial way. If anything, political patronage and pork and barrel - which is at the core of the US state- will only intensify to contain growing resentment of the downwardly mobile public.

[MG] The US does appear to be in secular decline, and I would bet on living standards continuing to move in the opposite direction to those in big emerging capitalist economies on the periphery. I doubt it will become a second-tier regional power though, at least not in our lifetime. It's corporations and military still span the globe though they are increasingly becoming more "multinational" and less "American" as they integrate more foreign troops and managers into their operations. Unless the US economy is restructured on the basis of new industries which produce accompanying labour shortages, I also see working class resentment trending to the right and not very good prospects for a revival of trade unionism and movements for reform.
>
[WS]> To reiterate "all hope abandon, ye who enter here." If you want hope, or social change, look to India, China, or Brazil where the center of global action is moving. The US is a "has been," a force that if not entirely spent, is increasingly looking inward to maintain its ossified institutional structure. Many empires ended in a similar way, lingering in its ossified shell for decades or even centuries until some external force put them out of their misery.

[MG] I tend to agree, as noted above. However, nothing is certain. I've hedged my bets about the future ever since the abrupt and astonishing restoration of capitalist relations in the USSR and China and the disappearance of a once vibrant labour and socialist movement in the West.



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