wrobert at uci.edu wrote:
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> This statement ignores that systems of domination are always fraught
> with contradictions. As Marx noted, and Althusser always insisted,
> the class war begins on the terrain of ideology. robert wood
Perhaps -- at the point where "class war" becomes empirically visible and is so labelled. But the class war that Marx emphasizes in C1 is the struggle for the 10-hour day, and that struggle begin within the process of production itself, as men, women, and children 'spontaneously' and individually struggled to survive under nearly impossible conditions, It was that sort of daily struggle which, as generalized, initiated class struggle in the realm of ideology. I do think that it is vital to maintain the priority in principle and actual practice of practice to thought. New thought is (always, I think) a raising to the level of theory practices which have arisen through practical response to "contradictions" in practice. (I'm not sure "contradiction" is the right word here; perhaps "conflict" would be better. But then I'm moving towards maintaining that dialectics are not universally relevant.
Carrol
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> > Miles Jackson wrote:
> >
> >> I've said it before on the list, but I can't resist jumping in again.
> >> Moral reasoning rarely "guides" or "drives" behavior; rather, it
> >> primarily functions as post hoc justification (or condemnation) of
> >> actions already taken. Nietzsche is very good on this: morality is a
> >> product of power relations, and it is informative to trace the
> >> genealogy of certain moral systems (e.g., Christian "slave"
> >> morality). However, the moral system is always the product of the
> >> historical moment, not the cause. To explain a social movement or a
> >> social transformation by appealing to the moral beliefs of individuals
> >> is a fundamental category error that--not coincidentally!--is endemic
> >> to capitalist social relations (e.g., "people are poor because they
> >> don't have a good work ethic").
> >
> > I hate this kind of argument. I always picture the advocate of this view
> > watching a puppy being tortured and inwardly reproaching himself for his
> > bourgeois sentimental feelings of outrage. Miles, you live under
> > capitalist social relations, yet you don't believe people are poor
> > because they don't have a good work ethic. How'd that happen? If you
> > woke up under a fascist regime, would you support the Fuhrer because,
> > after all, morality is merely a product of power relations? This
> > argument makes no sense at all.
> >
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