> 
> In any case, I don't know how this got turned into a debate about how 
> social movements arise.That's wasn't the original question. The original 
> question was: Miles/Carrol/Robert believe strongly that, say, 
> exploitation should be abolished. Yet they insist that this conclusion 
> has nothing to do with morality. So why abolish exploitation then? Miles 
> at least acknowledged the question by refusing to answer it. What's the 
> answer? And if there is no answer, how is that not the very definition 
> of unreason?
Let me be more direct: your question is pointless. Answering it directly would be "the very definition of unreason".
Miles