[lbo-talk] How many earths

Chris Doss lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com
Thu May 7 11:16:11 PDT 2009


I'm not sure that "alienation from nature" is a meaningful concept. "Nature" itself is an artificial construct that opposes "humanity," another artificial construct.

Heidegger talked a lot about this, actually.

--- On Thu, 5/7/09, Dennis Claxton <ddclaxton at earthlink.net> wrote:


> From: Dennis Claxton <ddclaxton at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] How many earths
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org, lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 1:55 PM
> I saw The Examined Life last
> night.  It's directed by Astra Taylor, who did Zizek! a
> couple years ago.  In this movie she and a small crew
> film a number of thinkers walking (in one case rowing) and
> talking about life and philosophy.  Zizek is in it and
> delivers a critique of environmentalism in a garbage
> dump.  He says we're not alienated enough from nature
> and that we need "a much more terrifying abstract
> materialism"
>
> Another favorite line for me was from Avital Ronell, who I
> didn't know before this movie.  She says "If you have a
> good conscience, then you're worthless."
>
> Here's a bit from an interview with Taylor:
>
>
> http://www.nplusonemag.com/time-real
>
>
> n+1: One transition that was particularly interesting was
> the one between Michael Hardt and Zizek, which goes from
>
>
> AT: "The beautiful better world" …
>
> n+1: … to a garbage dump.
>
> AT: The pan up to beautiful trees, revolutionary desire and
> this utopian ambition and then basically just plunging you
> back into trash and chaos.
>
> n+1: At the same time, it does imbue a kind of grandeur or
> majesty to the trash Zizek is moving through. How did you
> find these locations?
>
> AT: Zizek wanted to talk about ecology. I had been spending
> a lot of time in Tijuana for another project among people
> who live in a mountain of refuse which has now actually been
> shut down. It's an apocalyptic environment that I have an
> attraction/repulsion to. When Zizek said he wanted to talk
> about ecology I knew we needed a garbage dump. Then it was a
> matter of finding one in London where he was.
>
>
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