[lbo-talk] Obama to throw away the key?

Dorene Cornwell dorenefc at gmail.com
Thu May 14 10:33:12 PDT 2009


I am touched by the entrepreneurial souls in Hardin MT. They have a lot of unused space in tehir new jail and were willing to farm it out to house terror detainees. MT's senators are considerably less enthusiastic, but I think it's perfect.

Hardin MT is a dry dust bucket of a tiny burg. There is very little of much interest within miles. Okay so the winters are a lot worse than at Gitmo, but....

DC

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Bill Bartlett <billbartlett at aapt.net.au>wrote:


> it is now dawning on Obama and Americans just how disasterous was the Bush
> era.
>
> Of course none of the terror suspects can be given a fair trial and
> imprisoned under any semblance of the rule of law. Because their capture was
> unlawful, their imprisonment was unlawful and of course their torture was
> unlawful. The evidence against them was all gained unlawfully, including by
> torture. The case against them is a farrago of lies concocted by deranged
> criminals working for the American government. It can't be relied on by any
> sane person, let alone by a self respecting court.
>
> Any court of law would immediately release them. Any US court might even be
> forced to release them in America, because where else can they go? It isn't
> as though any other country would have them, if they weren't deranged
> killers before being kidnapped and subjected to protracted and inhumane
> torture by deranged cowboys, then they likely are now.
>
> All as a result of the lawless and criminal conduct of the Bush
> administration. I used to wonder if it is might be deliberate? Were they
> clever enough to work out that their lawless actions against these suspected
> terrorists would create a catch-22 for any future government which wanted to
> be law-abiding? Making it impossible to actually return to the rule of law,
> without making the painful decision to set free people responsible for awful
> terrorist acts against US citizens?
>
> Bush obviously wasn't that smart. Most apes are smarter than George W Bush.
> But maybe some of them were smart enough to work out that this was the best
> chance they would ever get to to poison that which they instinctively hated
> and despised, the rule of law?
>
> Will they succeed? Will the new American government pay the price of
> returning to the rule of law? The price is they must put the tortured
> terrorists on trial, knowing they haven't got a snowflake's chance in hell
> of getting any convictions and that they will all be released? Or will they
> do what is suggested in this story and try to brazen it out in the former
> government's lawless way?
>
> Fascinating to find out.
>
> Bill Bartlett
> Bracknell Tas
>
>
>
> At 8:25 PM -0400 13/5/09, Doug Henwood wrote:
>
>> News Alert
>> from The Wall Street Journal
>>
>> The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects
>> on U.S. soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to
>> retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in
>> Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
>>
>> The proposal being floated with members of Congress is another indication
>> of President Barack Obama's struggles to establish his counter-terrorism
>> policies, balancing security concerns against attempts to alter
>> Bush-administration practices he has harshly criticized.
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