On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Dysboulides wrote:
>
> Uh, neither James nor I mentioned the world perceived by the senses.
>
And just what world do you denote by the word "nature?"
Shane Mage
> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
>
> Herakleitos of Ephesos