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AMY GOODMAN: Your book, "Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!", it's just out. Kind of fiction, not really nonfiction, you call it a practical utopia. Where did you get the title?
RALPH NADER: The title came from—Warren Buffett was watching post- Katrina in his living room in Omaha, and he saw these streams of poor people fleeing the floods and the winds, and no food, no water, no shelter, on the highways north of New Orleans. And no one was helping them. And so, he couldn't take it anymore, and he got a whole convoy of supplies, and he took them down to the New Orleans area. He went down himself and distributed all the food and the tents and the medicine to these desperate families and came across an African American family, who was helping, and the grandmother grabbed his hands, looked up at him and said, "Only the super-rich can save us."
And that haunted him all the way back to Omaha, where he developed a plan to get seventeen older super-rich enlightened Americans at a hotel on a mountaintop in Maui, Hawaii, and basically asked themselves, what is it going to take to turn this country around? It's going to take mass media. One of the seventeen is Barry Diller. And it's going to take a reversal of the insurance industry. It's Peter Lewis. It's going to take dealing with deficits and subsidies and organizing the veteran and veteran groups and the women's clubs around the country. Ross Perot. It's going to take a real coordination and putting in a lot of money. That's what they all represented. Bill Cosby is one of them. Phil Donahue is one of them. Yoko Ono is one of them. William Gates, Sr., Leonard Riggio, Bernard Rapoport. These and others get together, and it all happens in one year, 2006.
When you read this book, you'll not only get a lift in terms of the feasibility of change, if we only change the predicates and stop trying to go after trillion-dollar industries with a few million dollars of citizen group budgets, and you not only get a lift, but you can see, step by step, the strategy, the tactics—how they set up a People's Chamber of Commerce with tens of thousands of progressive small businesses around the country; how they set up a sub-economy, where they bought all kinds of businesses and got inside the corporate beast, because they own these companies; how they developed mass media; how they got people's attention through the use of, for example, this parrot, Patriotic Polly, which got on TV early in 2000 and got millions of emails when it kept saying, "Get up! Don't let America down! Get up! Don't let America down!"
You know, in the early part of the twentieth century, Amy, and the latter part of the nineteenth, there were practical utopias, or there were just plain utopias, like Edward Bellamy's Looking Backward, that really infused and raised the horizons of the progressive movement and people like Eugene Debs. In fact, that book sold a million copies, Looking Backward. We've stopped doing that in the last two generations. Our imaginations have been stifled by the grim reality of concentrated corporate power.
But when you see how these Meliorists, which is what these seventeen super-rich elderly progressive Americans called themselves, when you see how Sol Price, who started the Price Club, took on Wal-Mart to unionize Wal-Mart, you will see what happens when there's smarts, determination and adequate money to take on a behemoth like Wal-Mart. You'll also see how entrenched right-wing politicians, when they're surrounded with mass movements back in their congressional district, and they're basically confronted with ultimatum in this climactic scene in Congress at the end of the book, how they react.
And it's important, I think, for all of us to stop just documenting and documenting and diagnosing and proposing these things, when there's no power behind, there's no juggernaut, there's no pressure to organize the mass of the citizenry in the directions that really reflects their public sentiment, to use Abraham Lincoln's phrase.