[lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats

Alan Rudy alan.rudy at gmail.com
Wed Sep 23 13:22:52 PDT 2009


There was this trajectory once upon a time, it started with Monopoly Capital and continued with Legitimation Crisis and Fiscal Crisis of the State and then Regulation Theory... these might be worth considering in this discussion. Alan

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Bhaskar Sunkara <bhaskar.sunkara at gmail.com>wrote:


> I've always wondered whether the capitalist democratic state was often an
> agent of class conciliation instead of just direct class rule, as its
> portrayed in the Leninist "intrumentalist" view of the state.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Eric Beck <ersatzdog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Face it. The US political system is plutocracy, not democracy.
> >
> > I think this is wrong. It is a democracy. Or at least democracy is one
> > of the "poles" (and the strong one, I'd say) that make up the U.S.
> > state; you could say plutocracy is the other. I don't think you can
> > make sense of things like World War II (or any war really), the
> > postwar labor truce, and much of American history by attributing
> > everything to the "kratos" of the "ploutos," and certainly the U.S.
> > wouldn't be the center of world capitalism without the kratos of the
> > demos.
> >
> > Methinks the left is not nearly critical enough of democracy.
> >
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