[lbo-talk] Ralph loves the nice plutocrats

Chris Doss lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 24 06:52:39 PDT 2009


But this is my point!! In the absence of a state, you do not have a "legal right to organize, assemble, and to freely communicate." You have no enforceable rights to anything!! as long as somebody stronger than you doesn't want you to have them. Those rights are only possible because of the state.

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Marv Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> wrote:
> ==================================
> Ha! I've never being called a priest before! Trust me, Woj:
> I'm a
> thoroughgoing materialist like yourself who doesn't have
> any illusions about
> democracy or the afterlife, but simply believe - as have
> all previous
> generations of democrats and socialists - that it's much
> easier to fight for
> the "good life" if you have the legal right to organize,
> assemble, and to
> freely communicate than if these avenues are closed to you
> and you are
> forced underground. Even the "conspiratorial" Bolsheviks,
> who equally had no
> illusions about "bourgeois democracy", struggled mightily
> for the rights
> which it conferred in order to come up from underground to
> fight openly
> for their program.
>
> I won't repeat myself again. If you don't understand my POV
> on the subject
> by this time, I'm certain others do and so I'll leave the
> last word to you.
>
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