>With MacLaren and the '77 zeitgeist, something changed, and he was a
>big part of it -- regardless of who the forebears were. (And, yeah,
>they exist; that's uncontroversial.) He brought something new to the table,
I just don't see it. My point wasn't that there were forebears,. but that saying McClaren brought something new to the table is like saying Colonel Parker brought something new.