[lbo-talk] another TP poll: still whiter, righter, more

ken hanly northsunm at yahoo.com
Sat Apr 17 14:26:07 PDT 2010


I think you need to read the history of the NDP. The NDP did not exist until 1961. Even its forerunner the CCF was only formed in 1932.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-operative_Commonwealth_Federation

After much discussion, the CCF and the Canadian Labour Congress decided to join forces to create a new political party, which could make social democracy more popular with Canadian voters. In 1961, the CCF became the New Democratic Party.

he Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) (French: Fédération du commonwealth coopératif, then Parti social démocratique du Canada) was a Canadian political party founded in 1932 in Calgary, Alberta, by a number of socialist, farm, co-operative and labour groups, and the League for Social Reconstruction. In 1944, it became the first socialist government in North America (based in Saskatchewan). In 1961, it disbanded and was replaced by the New Democratic Part

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--- On Sat, 4/17/10, brad bauerly <bbauerly at gmail.com> wrote:


> From: brad bauerly <bbauerly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] another TP poll: still whiter, righter, more
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 2:43 PM
> Marv wrote:
> >I certainly understood you to be contrasting the very
> opinionated activists in the TP movement with the Democratic
> rank-and-file, and have now begun to retreat from >that
> position under fire from your critics. You're laying claim
> to a more nuanced  view, and that is good, but I don't
> think I've misrepresented where you have been >coming
> from.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> No, you are still either misrepresenting me or
> misunderstanding me.
> Vary early on in the TP discussions I mentioned that the
> left should
> focus on those yet undecided people who might be won over
> by TP
> rhetoric if there was no left to offer alternatives. 
> This has always
> been my focus.  I have never said that we should reach
> out to TP
> activists.  My nuance was there from the beginning, it
> is only
> recently that people have begun to realize that their can
> be a nuanced
> position- instead of associating general curiosity about
> the TP with
> apologetics and support for the TP- that seeks to
> understand the TP
> and their appeal in an effort to prevent further workers
> from moving
> rightward and offer a potential source of left
> organization.
>
> You need to read the history of the NDP.  It did not
> form from a
> liberal basis but from a populist one arising out of the
> radical
> center of the two other parties (particularly the 1929
> support of the
> Conservatives by the Progressive party to defeat the
> Liberals).  [The
> NDP for those unfamiliar with politics up here is
> responsible for
> Canada's socialised medical program.]
>
> >If anything, there's been more evident disaffection and
> motion within the DP than in these other parties because of
> the crises in US foreign and domestic policy and the
> >failure of the Obama administration to meet the
> expectations of its liberal base.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Where is this happening.  I don't see it. All I see is
> liberal
> Democrats holding tight to the party no matter what Obama
> does.  The
> focusing on the racism of the TP only strengthens their
> tight grip on
> the DP security blanket.
>
>
> Brad
>
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