[lbo-talk] The end of Stalinism was a good thing

c b cb31450 at gmail.com
Mon Apr 19 19:33:57 PDT 2010


Matthias Wasser --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

c b <cb31450 at gmail.com> wrote:


>
> CB: And it grew faster than the capitalist West had when it first
> grew. And after the Nazis-destruction, they had to "start over" ,
> almost. The Nazis didn't just kill people. They destroyed the economy.
>
> So , the Soviet socialist republic , Stalinism even, was a very
> powerful development model. Just think if they hadn't had to fight off
> and defend against the biggest war attacks and war threats in the
> history of humanity.
>

1) Was there any reason for them to retain their conventional arms superiority other than the domination of central Europe?

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CB: Imperialism , capitalism, in the form of Nazism had invaded and murder 27 million Soviets, and destroyed much much much. Think about it comrade. If 27 million of your people had been murdered ( and how many casualties ?) wouldn't you have a responsibility to build up your defenses to prevent another holocaust ? Come on motherfucker. Not only that. "Central Europe" had lots of fascists who joined the Nazis in the invasion. Get motherfucking real, dude.

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2) Isn't it easier to grow quickly after widespread destruction?

^^^^^^^^ CB: Not necessarily. After major destruction you might be just beat down. You are thinking like a capitalist. "Creative" destruction. Disgusting. But anyway they grew really fast before the major destruction. They grew fast before major destruction and after major destruction.

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3) Has anyone done any models of how they would have grown if they hadn't thrown all that money into conventional arms? Quick napkin math makes it seem like, if investment to growth in the non-military sector were held constant, they could have continued to outgrow the West, but that doesn't factor in diminishing returns, civilian spillage from military research, or any economic benefits of maintaining central Europe

^^^^^^^ CB: What are you thinking ? This was the biggest slaughter in the history of humanity . That is not an exaggeration. It is precise, truth. Name a bigger slaughter you insensitive whatever. 27 million people killed. How many more were casualties ? How the motherfuck wouldn't you put resources in defense to prevent another annihilation of your mothers, sisters, brotheres, uncles, fathers, your whole goddamn family ? You have to survive to grow the goddamn economy. And then you've got nuclear weapons pointed at you after that. Americans , Westerners can't even conceive of the horror of the circumstance the Soviets were in. Get the fuck out of my face .



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