SA wrote:
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>> This is about discussing ideas that people can think about and debate.
> Always the opponents of talking about socialism refer to it as
> "predicting," "deciding in advance," "planning," "pre-determined." That
> has nothing to do with it.
Well, isn't that what is happening? You don't like the way some (e.g., shag & Eric & I) are carrying on the debate because yu disagree witho our conception of socialism as a process emerging from more concrete struggles. But nothing is stopping you from plunging in and answering your own questions. Who knows, perhaps that would provoke some to enter in to the kind of debate on thekind of questions you want. But no one can get a discussion by saying we ought to discuss X. Discuss X, and see what happens.
Carol