[lbo-talk] Fascism, right-wing populism, and contemporary research

Marv Gandall marvgandall at videotron.ca
Sun Feb 21 09:08:42 PST 2010


To add to Jim's excellent summary below, the rational kernel in fascism might be described as is it's emphasis on jobs, planning, social welfare, regulation, and a tripartite approach to governance aimed at balancing the interests of the state, capital, and the working class, irrespective of whether we agree with all of these policies or not. It is much the same program favoured by social democratic parties, with the fundamental difference being that the social democrats seek to implement their program peacefully through elections in a multiparty system which allows the masses to exercise political and other democratic rights, while fascists conspicuously sought to impose their program by eliminating all opposition and the institutions which allowed such opposition to express itself. The irrational side of fascism is it's raging chauvinism - extending to a murderous and self-defeating racism is some cases, as in Germany - and exaggerated imperial ambitions which led the fascist states into an ill-conceived war against the Soviet Union and Western democracies and resulted in their Götterdämmerung.

On 2010-02-21, at 10:54 AM, Jim Farmelant wrote:


>
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:43:30 -0800 (PST) Chris Doss
> <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> Nazism and Fascism don't seem incoherent to me.
>
> I think that has to draw a distinction between them
> when they were social movements from what they
> were when they actually held political power.
> Both the Fascists and the Nazis before they
> rose to power were rather incoherent in their
> ideologies and in terms of their platforms and
> demands. Mussolini had, up through the
> First World War, been a leading figure
> in the Italian Socialist Party, and he had
> been editor of that party's newspaper.
> He broke with the party during the
> First World War over the party's opposition to
> Italian participation in the war.
>
> After the war he became a leader
> of the fascisti, which were organized
> mainly from demobilized soldiers.
> Their demands were not particularly
> coherent, and were expressed in a mixture of
> rightwing and leftwing rhetoric.
>
> As Italy began to fall into chaos
> following the outbreaks of massive
> strikes in the industrial cities in
> the north, Italy's bourgeoisie
> and petit bourgeoisie eventully
> began to look to the Fascists to
> restore order. That led to
> Mussolini's carefully choreographed
> "march on Rome" and his attainment
> of political power.
>
> In the case of the Nazis, they
> too prior to their ascension to
> power offered a mix of rightist
> and leftist rhetoric. This was
> well prepresented in the choice
> of the term, National Socialist
> as the name for their party. Hitler
> even admitted in Mein Kampf
> that he chose the color red for the
> Nazi flag because of its traditional
> socialist connotations and he
> wanted to create confusion
> over his party's ideological
> orientation. In fact that party
> from the 1920s, into its
> early years in power, had
> an avowedly "socialist" contingent,
> which included people like the
> Strasser brothers and the
> SA commander, Ernst Rohm.
>
> Both the Fascists and the
> Nazis when they were actually
> in power, they began to
> present a different front.
> The Nazis eliminated their
> "socialist" contingent in the
> "night of the long knives,"
> in 1934, much to the pleasure
> of both the military brass
> and big business. And the
> Fascists in Italy, after taking
> power, attempted to establish
> a corporatist model in which
> the state would oversee the
> management of the economy.
> Ostensibly, both employers
> and workers were represented
> in the state organizations that
> oversaw the economy, but
> in practice this tended to work
> to the interests of big business.
>
> Jim F.
> http://independent.academia/edu/JimFarmelant
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Chip Berlet <c.berlet at publiceye.org>
>> And all right-wing populist movements seem incoherent because they
>> are built around anger and rage, but that does not mean they are
>> politically powerless. They increase the amount of scapegoating and
>> demonization in a society. Real targets suffer the consequences.
>>
>> Fascism is the most militant form of right-wing populism.
>>
>> -cb
>>
>>
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