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> From: ken hanly <northsunm at yahoo.com>
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Sent: Sat, January 2, 2010 9:21:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] My Ayn Randian, libertarian loving relatives....argh... !!!
>
> So what do these young people think of the libertarians such as Raimondo at
> antiwar.com? Libertarians seem to have widely different views on what US foreign
> policy should be like. Whenever I want a good selection of critical articles on
> US foreign policy I go first to antiwar.com.
>
> Cheers, k hanly
>
>
> Blog: http://kenthink7.blogspot.com/index.html
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>
> --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Bryan Atinsky wrote:
>
> > From: Bryan Atinsky
> > Subject: [lbo-talk] My Ayn Randian, libertarian loving relatives....argh...
> !!!
> > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:57 PM
> > Oh god. Has there been a large surge
> > in Randian and libertarian worship among the 20 something
> > crowd?
> >
> > I ask because my father's sister has has five daughters who
> > had several boys who are now mostly in there early to late
> > 20s, and it seems they are nearly all entranced by Rand,
> > Nozick, and libertarian tripe in general.
> >
> > Lately, some of them have taken to use Facebook as their
> > soap box. It is embarrassing to read their nonsense.
> > I was wondering if others notice this trend, have to suffer
> > this silliness. Do I just have the bad luck of the draw, or
> > is this a trend among that generation?
> >
> > Here are some sadly funny quotes from them of late:
> >
> > "Why is it that buildings in America can withstand
> > earthquakes and strong hurricanes while buildings in
> > countries in Russia and China crumble like Saltine crackers
> > under similar conditions? "
> >
> > "When the strongest free nation is reduced to a socialized
> > welfare state the entire world be will threatened by the
> > tyrant with the biggest army and the most destructive
> > weapons. In the end, only a one world government imposing
> > their ideology of how much enough is will be capable of
> > controlling us and that will be a disaster for those of us
> > that love our freedom. "
> >
> > "Our Country donates more money, resources, knowledge, and
> > manpower to help humanity all around the globe than all
> > other countries combined. Only in a free country can free
> > people help others in need. Capping freedom in the name of
> > "social justice" will hurt efforts to end human suffering
> > globally."
> >
> > I mistakenly tried to answer a quote of their's from
> > Nozick: "Taxation of earnings from labor is on a par with
> > forced labor"
> >
> > With this quick critique from me: "One big problem with
> > Nozick's minimal state (and libertarian nonsense in general)
> > is that as the differential distribution of resources
> > inevitably grows more and more monopolistic in a feedback
> > loop, in your dream society, the percentage of the
> > population impoverished will grow, and unlike Nozick's
> > utopia, they will not take this sitting down, and the only
> > way to ensure a retention of this distribution would be an
> > extremely large police state. Oh goody!"
> >
> > Which just set them off on a feeding frenzy:
> >
> > "Ouch Brian...the liberal personal attack method is growing
> > weary. Your dream society seems more like communism, where
> > the distribution of resources is supposedly equal (unless of
> > coarse you are part of the communist elite). Only problem is
> > that production is reduced because there is no motivation to
> > even meet demand. Eventually, distribution of basic products
> > requires an extremely large and brutal police state - as
> > history has shown and that is your reality. Your criticism
> > of Nozick's minimal state is missing a very basic
> > unmeasurable component: Risk. In a free society, individuals
> > have the freedom to take risks based on perceptions of
> > rewards. Many risks are not successful and thus individuals
> > economic status changes, sometimes drastically. Sure, you
> > consider your self to be a well indoctrinated liberal
> > elitist who has all the answers and just wishes others would
> > listen - because you know it all. You have the inane ability
> > to detect injustice where ever it's perpetrated anywhere in
> > the universe and immediately understand what it will take to
> > level the playing field in a fair and just system. If only
> > others could see things as clearly as you do....But the real
> > reality is your thoughts are extremely far to the left.
> > Libertarianism promotes a free society which is what this
> > Country's constitution is based on. Freedom also offers you
> > the liberty to have an unpopular viewpoint and the ability
> > to espouse it where ever and when ever you please without
> > fear of government retribution, jail, or death as was the
> > fate of those fighting for freedom in Tienanmen Square.What
> > I don't understand is why we need faux freedom fighters,
> > like you, to correct self perceived injustices. "
> >
> > "That is right, you are not a liberal, you are a communist.
> > For some reason it is more important to you to have social
> > equality than justice and human rights. You can say that I
> > am prepubescent and i don't care because its not true but at
> > least I don't have something mentally wrong with me. There
> > are 2 stages to communism, and until you get to the ... See
> > Morepure communist state human rights doesn't matter. That
> > is why over 60 million people have died in the last century
> > in the name of equality. Also what do you do besides live
> > off the teet of your wife's work. Well I guess this just
> > proves that you value your life more than others and so live
> > like a parasite and live off the work of others. You may not
> > agree with my views but you have never stated yours. Get off
> > your ivory tower, just because you have been stuck in
> > college for the last 25 years doesn't mean you know
> > everything or anything."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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