First, Blut und Boten is not the same as the Reich. A "Reich" is an empire. Full Stop. Blut und Boden refers to a racial schema tied into the notion of Heim ins Reich (the ingathering of the people), both of which would have been considered ridiculous before around Fichte's time, when German nationalism developed in part in response to the Napoleonic Wars. Before that, "German" just meant a language. There were Saxons and Prussians and Swabians and Bavarians etc. There was no "German people." As late as WWI there was no German army. There was a Prussian army and etc. that coordinated with each other.
Second, events several hundred years apart do not a conservative tradition make, unless you can find somewhere where Hitler says something like "we should get back to Luther and start persecuting Jews like he wanted to. Go Protestantism" It doesn't help that this "tradition" was not German, but pan-European, and these beliefs shared by radicals (such as Karl Marx), as well as by conservatives. Nor does it help that. in case you haven't noticed, Nazism anti-Semitism was racial and not religious and therefore quite radical from a religious (conservative) point of view.
----- Original Message ---- From: Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 7:29:24 AM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] My Ayn Randian, libertarian loving relatives....argh... !!!
On Jan 6, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Chris Doss wrote:
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> Blut und Boden and Antisemitism are not German traditions. Blut und Boden was specifically contrasted to German traditions...
Antisemitism not a German tradition? And the pogroms of the First Crusade (11th century)? Martin Luther (16th Century)? Bach's "St. John" and "Saint Matthew" Passions (18th century)? the Oberammergau "Passion Play?" And if "Blut und Boden" was not an affirmation of tradition, how could Hitler's Reich have been the *Third* Deutsches Reich?
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Shane Mage <shmage at pipeline.com>
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> "Kinder, Kirche, Kuche"
> "Blut und Boden"
> "Antisemitismus" (Deutsches Christentum, though not particularly Italian)
Shane Mage
> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
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> Herakleitos of Ephesos
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