[lbo-talk] World War as Class War

Carrol Cox cbcox at ilstu.edu
Wed Jan 20 12:00:55 PST 2010


Dennis Claxton wrote:
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> What's you guys' take on the Donation of Constantine?

I agree with Dante, except right now I can't remember which side he was on. But how do you adjudicate the debate between the Guelfs & Ghibellines? And do you think Henry's marraige really was not licit because Arthur and Catherine really had beenmarried.

And do you think Elizabeth I makes a good case for herself in the following:

THE DOUBT OF FUTURE FOES

by: Queen Elizabeth I (1533-1603)

HE doubt of future foes exiles my present joy,

And wit me warns to shun such snares as threaten mine annoy;

For falsehood now doth flow, and subjects' faith doth ebb,

Which should not be if reason ruled or wisdom weaved the web.

But clouds of joy untried do cloak aspiring minds,

Which turn to rain of late repent by changed course of winds.

The top of hope supposed the root upreared shall be,

And fruitless all their grafted guile, as shortly ye shall see.

The dazzled eyes with pride, which great ambition blinds,

Shall be unsealed by worthy wights whose foresight falsehood finds.

The daughter of debate that discord aye doth sow

Shall reap no gain where former rule still peace hath taught to know.

No foreign banished wight shall anchor in this port;

Our realm brooks not seditious sects, let them elsewhere resort.

My rusty sword through rest shall first his edge employ

To poll their tops that seek such change or gape for future joy.

Note that this is also relevant to the recent debate over truth & fiction initiated by Michael Pollak the other day.

Carrol



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