[lbo-talk] Darwinian evolution only part of story?

[John Thornton]

Shane Mage wrote:
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> On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:00 PM, John Thornton wrote:
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>>>> Hawking has more than once publicly claimed he wished he had never 
>>>> proposed the idea of a singularity as the beginning of the universe.
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>> I thought perhaps Shane misunderstood Hawking's reversal on the idea 
>> of a singularity as a reversal on the idea of a big bang...
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> It was and is none of my concern what Hawking chooses to call his 
> pre-big-bang state-of-things.  The point simply is that, call it 
> "singularity" or not, that pre-big-bang state-of-things was not part 
> of the universe whose observed and mathematically formulated 
> regularities ("laws") suggested to Hawking that before it existed 
> there was a state-of-things that somehow big-banged and became the 
> present universe.  But the theory (apart from its inconsistency with 
> the observed world) is flawed--it has no way to bridge the gap between 
> there and here.  That is its "myth of origins" nature.
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> Shane Mage

That's what I thought, crackpottery.
Hopefully you won't be surprised if I side with Penrose, Hawking, 
Walsworth, Stenger, etc and not Mage.
To do otherwise would just seem silly.

John Thornton