[lbo-talk] lefty on futbol

Gail Brock gbrock_dca at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 3 10:44:14 PDT 2010


You seem to expect a logical one-to-one equivalency between the process of symbolic understanding and emotional investment and its objects, and I don't see things that way. One of the psychic underpinnings of our society is patriarchy, even though the citizenry are overwhelmingly not the actual children of the president. Our understandings of social organization are not that literal. How do you think, feel, and see the world? If you have an emotional investment in situations of an arbitrary us beating an arbitrary them, you're in the psychic world of nationalism. You tend to be entertained by activities that reflect that world, and the entertainment reinforces the world view.

This is about team sports, each of which has a somewhat different appeal. Individual sports differ even more.

I think we can understand our world better through pop culture analysis, but we're always in the world. Reaching a conclusion on the reasons for and effect of the popularity of an activity doesn't mean stepping outside to some objective stance from which we can separate the bullshit from the purity, because they really aren't separate. It's like trying to separate the medicinal and recreational uses of opiates -- an opiate has both and they're the same thing.

________________________________ Eric Beck (Sat, July 3, 2010 12:38:15 PM)

On 7/3/10, Gail Brock <gbrock_dca at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sports involve an emotional

You are right to bring in emotion, which I think is a better way of considering sports than ideology or propaganda. But still...


> us-against-them competition where the only
> difference between the competitors is that one side says they play for us.

...how does this work exactly? Outside of the World Cup and the Olympics, which only occur every four years, sports are played by regional or municipal teams, or by individual athletes not associated with any one place. How do these sorts of regional rivalries get translated into nationalism? I don't see it. Yes, there is an ethic of competition that is fostered, but it's a minor one compared to the ruthless competition of daily life under capitalism. Also, competition is also not what defines nationalism, which is about exclusion, race, violence, etc. I've never heard the phrase "friendly exclusion."


> I'm typing this as I watch the World Cup quarterfinals.

(Stupid Argentina. No more beautiful game in this World Cup I guess.) But see this begs the question: how do you see through the nationalist bullshit associated with sport to see the game in its purity while others do not? ___________________________________ http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk



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