[lbo-talk] Corporate Taxes, was why Prince is right

shag carpet bomb shag at cleandraws.com
Sat Jul 10 12:15:02 PDT 2010


i'm completely confused by this whole argument and what's at stake?

who gives a shit whether a corporation passes on the costs of a corporate tax burden to its employees, to consumers in the form of higher costs, to consumers in the form of shittier and dangerous products due to cuts in production process or if the corporation's shareholders make less in profits?

oh! the end of capitalism will come if we just tax the corporations instead of da peepul!

wtf?

At 03:01 PM 7/10/2010, Shane Mage wrote:


>On Jul 10, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Doug Henwood wrote:
>>...a corp is really just a network of relationships organized
>>towards the ultimate benefit [of] shareholders and top management,
>>and not a person in any real economic sense...
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>This is like saying that food is produced for the ultimate benefit of
>humans and tapeworms. The interests of shareholders and top management
>(leaving aside the few Black Swans like Buffet and Jobs) scarcely
>coincide. Top management sets its own salaries and bonuses at levels
>without any relationship to its (virtually nonexistent) economic
>productivity. Certainly no managers are as important to a firm's
>economic output as its senior engineering staff, so beyond the level
>of engineers' pay their "compensation" is entirely parasitic--at the
>expense of the shareholders. Corporations as economic actors behave
>as entities, and in an economic (not legal) sense any distinction
>between "natural" and "corporate" entities is a distinction without a
>difference.
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>>...The CBO assumes that corporate taxes are half paid by capital (in
>>the form of hits to profits and dividends) and half by labor (in the
>>form of lower wages), which is probably sensible.
>
>What justifies this assumption? Certainly not any form of economic
>theory. Their reasoning might go like this: higher taxes on profits
>leave less profits for reinvestment--less reinvestment means less
>total investment means lower growth--lower growth means lower demand
>for labor power--lower demand for labor power means lower wages. Of
>course that reasoning leaves the *time* for completion of the process
>completely unaccounted for. Worse, it requires the assumption that
>higher government revenues are not reflected in higher public
>spending, even though the purpose of the tax is to finance public
>expenditure and public spending raises the aggregate demand for labor
>power. So the 50% figure seems quite arbitrary and scarcely sensible.
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>Shane Mage
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>The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each
>according to his need.
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>The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each
>according to his greed.
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>Joe Stack (1956-2010)
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