[lbo-talk] U.S. in Israel's corner

socialismorbarbarism socialismorbarbarism at gmail.com
Tue Jun 1 13:29:45 PDT 2010


Eric Beck: "Deleuze wrote an article (part of which is below) about the events of 1978 and one of his main points was that Israel was basically a laboratory for military and political techniques of how to deal with and benefit from terrorism."

Change the (both too-narrow and too-sloppy) word "terrorism" to something like, "Israel was basically a laboratory for military and political techniques of how to deal with challenges to state authority and how to benefit from new techniques of oppression," I would agree.

But that also explains why the US would in the past (and, for now, still would) support them. And it's not as if the US hasn't been used as such "laboratory," just simply not to the all-but-all-encompassing political and social level of Israel. In fact one can argue that Israel has fulfilled this role at the behest of and to the advantage of the US.

"last year's, Gaza war was an experiment in what he [Weizman] called lawfare: using military operations to push against the principles of international law and making them more favorable to its needs; lawmaking by warmaking."

Sure, but again, Israel is just following the US lead--doesn't the occupation of Iraq fit this term to a 't'? Maybe Israel is a "laboratory" again, trying to bring this to some demonstration-style perfected form, or something--the one who agrees to take the bacillus right in the vein to test the vaccine, if I may stretch the conceit--but they just such a course has been evident in the United States for years now. The continuously-developing open contempt for legal norms, in all but the most grossly arbitrary and instrumentalist forms, has been IMO an important turn in the US since (roughly) the mid-1970s. although its origins obviously go back further; it was a striking change in a theretofore key component of so-called "bourgeois" ideology on the part of the vanguard capitalist state. Yes, bourgeois law has always been class-biased and hypocritical; but the attack on law *as such* is a real turn. (I will risk charges of violating Godwin's Law simply for bringing it up, and note that Franz Neumann considered this a central--maybe *the* central--feature of Naziism.)

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Eric Beck <ersatzdog at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
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