[lbo-talk] Oppression

Chris Doss lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 10 01:59:11 PST 2010


God knows I think Ted is wrong about everything :), but I don't know if this is really a contradiction here, since for Hegel _everything_ is part of the Idea, including the forces of production. You could absorb Marxism into Hegelianism without much problem. Absorbing things is what Hegelianism does best.

Isn't that what Kojeve basically did?

----- Original Message ---- From: James Heartfield <Heartfield at blueyonder.co.uk>

No, I think Charles has it better, your telling elides the difference between Hegel and Marx. Marx is a materialist. He sees the development of man arising out of the greater possibilities that come with the development of the forces of production. Without a surplus, there can be no 'self-development'. Without modern industry, there can be no class struggle, and no possibility of overcoming the 'self-estrangement' - which in Marx's account is not merely psychological, but a social conflict between the class that gains by its estrangement (the capitalists) and the class that can only experience that estrangement as misery (the working class). That conflict can only come to a head where the material conditions (i.e. productive forces) are developed enough to satisfy generalised plenty, or it will fall back into a mere peasant Jacquerie (take Engels' example of German peasant uprisings, or for that matter, Mao's Cultural Revolution, where the material

conditions for overcoming ! self-estrangement fell short of the subjective ambition, dragging the revolutionaries down into barbarism). ___________________________________ http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk



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