[lbo-talk] The Ideology Problem

[c b]

Socialist movements failed because after doing as well
> >as it was possible to do, the working classes of the world were simply
> >weaker than capitalism. Nothing socialist movements/leaders might
> >have done differently would have changed the outcome.
> >
> >Carrol

CB: Yes. Also, the countries that had socialist revs had less
developed forces of production (and thus, militaries) than the most
advanced capitalist countries that didn't have revs.

Marx and Engels had held generally that to succeed,  socialist revs
had to take place in the countries with the most advanced forces of
production. So, the Marxist "answer" concerning the 20th Century was
correct, but told of an unsurmountable barrier.

Workers of the West, it's our turn .

^^^^


>
> the subject of history problem, strikes again!

And every time it strikes Alhusser looks more and more attractive.

Carrol

^^^^^
CB: However, there is no other group, class or social set that has
successfully substituted for the working class as "subject-class of
history". It'll be the working class masses or it won't be at all.