[lbo-talk] Noam 1, Israelo-apartheid 0

[Carrol Cox]

(From memoery): "Where rights clash, force decides." KM on struggle over
length of the working day. And when he speaks of a historical or moral
element entering into the value of labor power, the implication
(explicit in some texts I believe) is that the value of labor power is
established through conflict. And of course, Matthew Arnold among others
thoght workers were a mob of the sort Ted describes.

We have, through historical struggle, arrived at _some_ shared agreement
over goals. The endless attempt to  claim those goals exist prior to our
creation of them belongs to ideology. ("Ideology" is simply a stop gap
here to keep the post from going on forever.)

Carrol

Miles Jackson wrote:
> 
> Ted Winslow wrote:
> > What you claim above, however, seems to have the implication that the superstitious, prejudiced, sadistic, vengeful feelings of a mob with the "power" to carry out successfully actions based on them would issue in "Justice."
> >
> > Ted
> 
> History, I'd like you to meet Ted.  Say hi, Ted!
> 
> Miles
> 
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