[lbo-talk] Noam 1, Israelo-apartheid 0

[c b]

Mike Ballard
shaq wrote: (Chomsky)holds the view, as i said already, that justice
is grounded in a natural human desire for freedom that is innate to
humans. it is, therefore, a foundationalist claim that, as chomsky
says, is going get him in trouble because he can't scientifically
prove it. as such, as doug pointed out, freedom is something we
naturally strive toward and any condition of unfreedom cannot last for
long because humans will naturally strive toward freedom. call it
naturalism, call it natural law theory, call it whatever. it is not
the same thing as what foucault is talking about where justice is
always already bound up with the struggle for power, is always already
about people, is totally contingent and shifting.
***************************************** As far as I know there are
no animals who prefer to be tied up, caged etc. as opposed to being
free. I think the intinct for freedom is tied to our being animals and
that getting more and more political power is the key to getting in
tune with that instinct. Of course, in civilised class society, we're
socialised in ways which tend to make submission to our rulers look
more attractive thus satisfying an even more powerful instinct:
survival. After all, THEY have armed bodies of men on their side.

The struggle continues, Mike B)
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CB: I'd say that there is an assumption that there is a human instinct
for equality and freedom from exploitation underlying the claim that
the history of class divided society is a history of class struggles.
Oppressed and exploited classes have always struggled against their
oppression and exploitation because it is instinctive.
The instinct is "my labor is equal to your labor, so we should share
equal fruits."

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