[lbo-talk] Imperial Chickens Come Home to Roost

Max Sawicky sawicky at verizon.net
Thu Nov 11 08:09:43 PST 2010


You haven't my point about CDS rates. They totally contradict the rating, and they reflect real money that somebody is willing to put up.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 5:56 PM, <dredmond at efn.org> wrote:


> On Tue, November 9, 2010 6:18 pm, Doug Henwood wrote:
>
> > How would they rate China? I keep hearing that their banks are heavily
> > exposed to a leveraged real estate boom.
>
> Officially, they give China an AA rating, better than the US. Of course,
> this exaggerates the US decline a bit, but in fairness to Daqong, the
> ratings universe they're covering is very different – mostly China's
> blue-chip firms and the largest state enterprises. Given that this is the
> most competitive, best-managed slice of the Chinese economy, an AA rating
> is reasonable (the comparable rating for the most competitive slice of the
> US economy would be AAA, of course).
>
> Yeah, the goldbugs keep muttering about a China bubble, but I don't see
> the evidence. They have no derivatives or toxic CDOs in their system,
> requirements for getting mortgages are still pretty strict, the banks are
> state-owned, and the country is urbanizing fast -- hundreds of millions of
> people want to move to the cities. The gloomsters point to unfunded local
> liabilities, but even the most pessimistic analysis says China only has
> around $3 trillion in domestic debt and $400 billion in external debt --
> peanuts compared to China's $2.7 trillion in reserves. There's plenty of
> froth and low-level corruption, sure – probably half of China still lives
> at a subsistence level, municipalities make the occasional terrible
> investment – but China's growth is as real as those bullet trains zipping
> around the place.
>
> -- DRR
>
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