Wojtek
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Marv Gandall <marvgand at gmail.com> wrote:
> We're all of us repeating ourselves, no?
>
>
> On 2010-11-17, at 10:20 AM, Wojtek S wrote:
>
> > Marv: "By surrendering in advance without taking the fight to the
> > country..."
> >
> > [WS:] You seem to consistently avoid addressing the point that Charles,
> SA
> > and I are trying to make - namely, that "taking the fight" was a suicidal
> > tactic - virtually certain to lose and create even more damage, and the
> > decision to move slowly without provoking the other side going ballistic
> > seemed a wise one, as it offered a greater promise of a successful
> outcome.
> >
> >
> > To counter this you (and others) need to demonstrate that there was a
> > reasonable chance that "taking the fight" would have produced a desirable
> > outcome in 2008-2010 or at least that a reasonable policy maker had a
> > reason to believe that such a chance existed. Charles explicitly denied
> > that by pointing to the balance of power, and I concur with his argument
> > unless I see a proof to the contrary.
> >
> > Quoting FDR in the 1930s does not offer such a proof because, as the
> French
> > would say, these were autres temps, autres moeurs - or a very different
> > power structure, both domestically and even more importantly -
> > internationally (the 'specter of Communism' was very real back then.)
> And
> > the fact that some liberals read more into what Obama was actually saying
> in
> > 2008 is not a proof either - it merely indicates unreasonable
> expectations
> > of some people.
> >
> > Wojtek
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