[lbo-talk] Yves Klein: Foreclosure Fraud and the millionmissingnotes

c b cb31450 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 11 08:17:21 PDT 2010


By the way, in this context the name "statute of frauds" might be confusing. The statute of frauds is not a law against fraud. Well, not directly. When one commits fraud, one does not violate the statute of frauds. The statute of frauds is a contract principle that is aimed at avoiding fraud by requiring that certain contracts be reduced to writing. If they are not, the contract is unenforceable in court. Everything Jordan says about things going forward if no problem arises is true, i.e. if nobody sues and goes to court.. If a contract is not in writing in derogation of the statute of frauds , it doesn't matter as long as both parties proceed as if the contract is valid.

Charles

^^^^ CB: Interesting. What about the statute of frauds, which requires a writing of contracts above a certain amount of money ?

Statute of frauds

The statute of frauds refers to the requirement that certain kinds of contracts be memorialized in a signed writing.

Traditionally, the statute of frauds requires a signed writing in the following circumstances:

   * Contracts in consideration of marriage.    * Contracts which cannot be performed within one year.    * Contracts for the transfer of an interest in land.    * Contracts by the executor of a will to pay a debt of the estate with his own money.    * Contracts for the sale of goods involving a purchase price of $500 or more.    * Contracts in which one party becomes a surety (acts as guarantor) for another party's debt or other obligation.

This can be remembered by the mnemonic "MY LEGS": Marriage, one year, land, executor, goods, surety; or Marriage, one year, land, executor, guarantor, sale ( if you are taking a bar exam -CB)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_frauds

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 It's only if something goes wrong that you'd have to get back to something written. In this case, I'm not convinced that this will turn into "free houses" for anyone;

^^^^^^ CB: Yeah. Sounds too good to be true. I'll believe it when I see it.

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 but I'm glad that at least some people are stepping up to force due process. As usual, IANAL, but the process of affidavit-in-lieu-of-document is well regarded as Standard in the US; this idea of mass-printing of them because they believe none of the documents exist is lazy and will probably be stopped by some clever judges. But I doubt it will result in many free houses.

(I think it's a little weird to be calling this 'fraud' as tempting as it is to label foreclosures as criminal in some way ... I'm sure there's plenty of fraud to be uncovered in this whole mess, but this specific kind of foolishness isn't it)

/jordan

^^^^^^^ CB: What's this ?

Obama Gets Involved with Bank Foreclosure Mistakes

http://www.mybanktracker.com/bank-news/2010/10/11/obama-involved-bank-foreclosure-mistakes/

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Major banks have felt the consequences of their failure to review foreclosure documents over the past two weeks as U.S. President Barack Obama vetoed a bill that would have made it easier for banks to evict homeowners.

Foreclosure Freeze Overview

In the past few weeks there has been a lot of buzz about Bank of America, GMAC Ally, Chase and PNC Bank needing to stop home foreclosures in order to reevaluate the system they used. Bank officials are required by law to read through affidavits carefully before signing off on them. Bank employees allegedly did not take enough care, meaning they have had to review their practices and halt the entire system.

Politicians Get Involved

Politicians have decided it is time to acknowledge the nations troubled foreclosure system. Obama vetoed a bill on Thursday that would’ve helped banks. The bill, which, before this week, was not well known, would have helped banks streamline the process of evicting homeowners that missed bill payments by allowing out-of-state and electronic notarizations. The problem with allowing electronic notarizations is the additional difficulty of tracing them back, and having all the proper paper work and documentation is crucial. Real estate layers had the biggest issues with bill and have made strong efforts to point out its possible pitfalls, saying the bill could allow for even more fraud.

Congress immediately passed the bill with little debate, but Obama decided to veto it after pressure from the Democratic party. Some think the government should pay closer attention to the foreclosure crisis, according to The Washington Post. This controversy has added another topic of debate to the mid-term election season.

The Problem Keeps Growing

As the past week progressed, more and more major banks publicly announced decisions to look into foreclosure paperwork and put holds on foreclosures. PNC Bank, one of the nation’s largest financial services organizations, announced Friday its plans to stop foreclosures in 23 states.

Another breaking story came as Bank of America announced its plans to extend its stop on foreclosures to all 50 states after feeling some political pressure. According to The Washington Post, “At least 10 states … are seeking to expand a voluntary freeze on foreclosures by some of the nation’s largest mortgage lenders to include more companies and more regions. And calls have increased for a nationwide moratorium — a move that could deal a blow to the earnings of big banks and grind to a halt the sale of millions of properties in foreclosure.”

This problem has just turned from bad to worse. The already struggling industry might face large fees or further delays to correct their foreclosure fraud



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