[lbo-talk] the decline of men

shag carpet bomb shag at cleandraws.com
Fri Apr 15 10:20:40 PDT 2011

> shag: It pleases me to no end...
> ^^^^^^^
> CB: How do u feel about being told u can't have multiple orgasms, u
> don't allow urself to feel certain emotions: vulnerability, fear,
> (often love because it makes them feel vulnerable). Anger is generally
> the only emotion it's ok for u; u think u have to do everything by
> urself, u r afraid to ask for help. If u do get help, u seldom
> acknowledge it, u pretend u know more than u actually do, u don't
> realize that making love to a woman is different than masturbation , u
> do not understand that relationships require a lot of attention and
> work, and many of u fear and hate women?
> Oh wait that wasn't u that was me ( giggles)


did you think joanna was reinscribing oppression? or was she describing the results of a society in which male gender norms are prescribed in the ways she was outlining.

she wasn't saying that that was the way things were, biologically determined as such, she was saying that, if she's observed a lot of that, it's because it's been socially constituted as such and shouldn't and doesn't have to be that way.

you are now going to tell me that you knew it all along, that you were only kidding (coz otherwise, it might make you look like you didn't understand and that you needed help understanding and that makes you feel vulnerable and afraid and you mustn't display those sentiments...."

hmmm. i think I read one too many pages of Dave Eggers Heartbreaking work of staggering genius ...

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