-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Pen-l] riots Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:05:29 +0100 From: Paul Cockshott <William.Cockshott at glasgow.ac.uk> Reply-To: Progressive Economics <pen-l at lists.csuchico.edu> To: Progressive Economics <pen-l at lists.csuchico.edu>
Have a look at Darcus Howe on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqn75z6CvI4 ______________________________________ From: pen-l-bounces at lists.csuchico.edu [pen-l-bounces at lists.csuchico.edu] On Behalf Of Carrol Cox [cbcox at ilstu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:17 PM To: Progressive Economics Subject: Re: [Pen-l] riots
Riots are a pre-political response lacking any effective formal means of response to some outrage. (The instigators may or may not be "hot heads.") Most only devlop into riots when minor bits of vandalism are met by a full-scale pol9ice riot. Very few riots are not, essentially, police riots.
Riots are rare in communities that have been politicized. After the death of King NO rioting occurred in any neighborhood in which SNCC or the Panthers had been organizing.
Carrol
On 8/10/2011 10:29 AM, jmp wrote:
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> On 10/08/11 15:58, Jim Devine wrote:
>> a couple of months ago, my son (age 21) asked me why riots occur (in
>> reference to the 1992 "Rodney King" riots in LA). He clearly had no
>> clue, so I gave him a short and quick answer. Here it is, changed a
>> bit:
>>
>> 1) there's a community inside society that's outside of the mainstream
>> and/or dominated by the rest of society. It's not well organized.
>>
>> 2) there's a reason for this community to be angry (cf. Rodney King).
>>
>> 3) opportunists and/or "hot heads" start looting, burning, and/or
>> anti-personnel violence (which turns it into a "riot").
>>
>> any thoughts? By the way, I think that this fits such riots as the
>> "white riot" against Martin Luther King, Jr., in Chicago in 1965. It's
>> not just a matter of ethnic minorities.
>
> Whenever there are western/urban riots I always re-read Debord's "The
> Decline and Fall of the Spectacle-Commodity Economy", which is about the
> riots in LA in 1965: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/sionline/si/decline.html
>
> -martin
>
>
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