[lbo-talk] A German Europe

Shane Mage shmage at pipeline.com
Sat Dec 10 11:54:09 PST 2011


On Dec 10, 2011, at 1:18 PM, James Heartfield wrote:


> No doubt Cameron’s reasons are not mine, but the proposed new treaty
> is more of what was rejected by a large, popular and left opposition
> in 2005. Wojtek and Joel are wrong to see this as a choice, the
> choice is between choice and no choice. What Merkel was proposing
> was that the sovereign governments of the European Union should
> submit their finances and policies for approval before a panel of
> unelected bureaucrats. By all means, Wojtek, if you think that the
> US should join the European Union, then I think they would be very
> happy to have you (you just have to talk the other 300 million
> around). Of course it would be good to see the City of London under
> democratic control, but this is quite the opposite. As to whether
> Cameron is a good statesman or not, who gives a rat’s ass? Are we
> living in the eighteenth century? Are we supposed to look on while
> bewigged Chancellors and Princes decide what should happen? I don’t
> care how badly he played his hand. I am not in the game. As long as
> the future of European peoples is decided in the opaque world of
> ‘statesmanship’, for so long will they be without power.

I agree heartily.

Shane Mage

> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it

> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,

> kindling in measures and going out in measures."

>

> Herakleitos of Ephesos



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